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Q:
Have you thought of making a documentary on The Last Mughal?
It would be extremely appropriate, given the intolerant times
we live in today, and the erstwhile, friendly relations between
the Hindus and Muslims of India, resulting in their even going
into ‘jihad’ together, that you have described.
A: There is a documentary partially based on the
book, which covers ‘jihad’ in history and how far
jihad was a part of the uprising in 1857. For instance, the
sepoys who were part of the mutiny were 80 per cent upper caste
Hindus; the cavalry which was much smaller in number, comprised
largely Muslims. But, throughout 1857, there were also freelance
jihadis – ordinary Muslim civilians who picked up a sword
against the British – so that near the end there were
some 25000 ‘jihadis’ as estimated by the British
Intelligence.
Q: I feel your book traces the current wave of terrorism
and religious fanaticism back to the doorstep of colonial India
and the bigotry exhibited by the British. Do you agree?
A: Well, I didn’t make it quite that black
and white. What I feel is that there was a situation where there
was tolerance on all sides in the eighteenth century –
when there were Christians, Hindus and Sufi-minded Muslims living
side-by-side – and that gave way to a period in early
nineteenth century when you have Evangelical Christians facing
increasingly militant Islam. In Delhi, militant Islam came out
of the school of Shah Walliullah and Shah Abdul Aziz who were,
if you like, theological grandparents of the Deobandis and rejected
some of the more plural Indo-Islamic-Hindu-Muslim ways of living
that had developed in the country. So, yes, I do feel that it
was the increasing western aggression that resulted in the confrontation
that took place, and which is also what you see in the present
day.
Q:
Bahadur Shah Zafar probably owes a debt of gratitude to you
for, prior to The Last Mughal, I don’t think he has been
projected in a positive light at all by historians. He was always
made out to be a very weak ruler. How is it that you unearthed
so much hitherto unknown information about him?
A:
What could an 82-year-old do, anyway? If Alexander the
Great had been 82 and in that situation, he wouldn’t have
been able to do much, either. But, I don’t want to underplay
the research that we put in to gather the documentation we did.
We discovered this incredible treasure trove – a catalogue
called Mutiny Papers – which had barely been touched and
of which there were no records. Mahmoud and I spent four years
going through at least two thousand documents from the catalogue
and although there are still huge amounts that we haven’t
touched, this research has allowed a wholesale reevaluation
of what it was like to be in Delhi then.
Q: You’ve been very vociferous in your views
about Islamophobia. Have you borne the major brunt of the flak
from the western world because of it?
A: Certainly, with the conflict between Bin Laden
and America and the invasions of Afghanistan and Iraq, the turn
of debate about Islam has become more vociferous, and has triggered
different reactions. But I can say happily that I have given
as good as I got. What I find annoying is that a lot of commentators
in the western media who write on Islam know very little about
it.
Q: You have mentioned in your book that 99 per cent
of the havelis in India have been demolished. Considering that
you feel so strongly about this, do you plan to do something
about it?
A: My specialty is to write and I don’t
wish to become an activist.
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