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Q: Do you think the government will hold free and fair
elections?
A: Why should a military dictator want to hold
free and fair elections when he has made so many changes in the
constitution. The black laws that he has introduced will create
a leadership crisis in the country. How can the elections be free
when the General is openly supporting those who supported him in
the referendum to the extent of demarcating the nation by drawing
a line between the ones who support him and those who don't. He
has remained in power for three years and done nothing. He has failed
in his seven point agenda. Neither has he created harmony between
the provinces, nor has he arrested the problem of unemployment.
Q: Your party supported General Musharraf when he took over
and there have allegedly been efforts to cut a deal with him.
A: He took over unconstitutionally and we said,
it is the most unfortunate thing to happen to the country and that
he should hold fair and free elections as soon as possible and hand
over power to the civilians. This is in fact what Mohtarma Benazir
Bhutto said verbatim in her first interview. We didn't want the
nation to plunge into a crisis with people fighting the government
on the streets. We tried to persuade the General to make a graceful
exit, but he never liked the word 'exit'.
Meetings went on between
us and the basic purpose for this exercise was not to shut the doors
on dialogue. The GDA and ARD had also resolved to ask him to form
a government of national consensus to supervise fair and free elections.
Unfortunately, the present regime, since its inception has
been engaged in unconstitutional acts. According to the Supreme
Court decision, General Musharraf was supposed to transfer power
democratically by October 12, but he has chosen the last day to
hold the elections. With the present election schedule, the Senate
elections will take place one month after the mandate given to him
by the court. So he has already surpassed and violated the court's
decision.
Likewise,
the referendum was another violation without any justification.
A referendum can be held on issues of national importance, it is
not an election. His intentions are clear and that is why we are
vociferously opposing his plans. He has got himself elected for
five years and now he is talking about seven years.
Q: What kind of scenario will emerge after the upcoming
elections?
A: It is quite clear that Musharraf's designs
are basically the same as General Yahya and General Zia. They wanted
a hung parliament and now he wants hung assemblies. He doesn't want
a strong parliament that could oppose him to emerge after the elections.
All that big talk of good governance seems to have been dumped in
the debris of routine horse-trading, arm-twisting and intimidation.
The game is the same: the establishment versus the people. There
is nothing new happening. Musharraf wants a fractions political
set-up to emerge so that in the future he can say that his stand
on the politicians is justified.
Pakistan is slipping into the habit of disastrous politics. We have
been telling the western world not to give any individual so much
latitude that he reduces the importance of parliament to a mere
rubber stamping agency. Merely cooperating in the international
coalition should not deny millions of people the right to live in
a democratic society. It is a façade that the international
community wants a change of leadership the way General Musharraf
is going about it, through black laws.
Q: Given all this, isn't it a time for your leader
to come back to the country instead of remote-controlling the party
from abroad?
A: On the one hand, people criticize political parties
and say they should start acting like political parties and stop
believing in personality cults. But what has the present regime
done? They influence the courts and deny justice to the people.
Now in Pakistan people are scared of going to the courts. What could
be more unfortunate than the Supreme Court Bar Association being
compelled to adopt a resolution that their lawyers will not take
up any cases in the Supreme Court.
We have been struggling as a political party for the restoration
of our democratic, economic and fundamental rights. We have been
trying to keep up our struggle without the physical presence of
our leader in the country.
Q: But this doesn't answer my questions
A: The way the present government is behaving,
it is in no mood to give her justice. When malafide intentions are
blatantly applied and adhoc laws are passed, what is the guarantee
that another new law will not be passed that says, "We are
putting Benazir Bhutto behind bars permanently." It is not
a choice to come back and be put in jail for years. What is wrong
with Benazir Bhutto saying that she is willing to come and face
charges as long as she is guaranteed justice. If judges are coerced
to give judgments the way the government wants, isn't it better
to stay away and expose them, rather than presenting oneself on
a silver platter.
Q: The charges of corruption against your government, however,
do not seem to be untrue.
A: Corruption charges were levelled against our
two governments and cases of corruption against many of our party
colleagues were referred to the courts, which were working under
the Sharif government while we were in the opposition. But we stood
acquitted. The same Chief of Army Staff was witness at the swearing-in
ceremony, when the same Mr. Asif Ali Zardari was sworn in as a minister
by the same President Ghulam Ishaq Khan, after he dismissed the
Nawaz Sharif government in 1993. It was the same establishment that
witnessed the turnabout, which earlier had charged Mr. Zardari for
corruption. All the accusations against us are still only accusations.
Though the PPP leadership has been interrogated, investigated and
hounded since our dismassal, not a single case has been proven against
them. The various governments, who have been carrying out all these
investigations have not been able to prove a single case against
any of us, despite all the state machinery and unlimited expenses
at their disposal.
Q: Your party has been in power twice after 1988. You have
failed to deliver your election promises the people, from the 'New
Social Contract' to the 'Agenda for Change'. Why should people trust
you once again when you keep your election manifesto on the shelf
once you are in power?
A: Political parties in Pakistan have never been
given their full term. Manifestos that are announced at the time
of election, are for the full term. We may have done much more if
we had been allowed to complete our terms. Let me tell you one thing,
Pakistan is at the stage when just providing basic infrastructure
is termed as revolutionary. Providing radio service was much talked
about during Ayub Khan's era, so why can't the PPP claim to have
provided electricity on a mass scale? Why can't we claim that maximum
foreign investment came at the time of the PPP's term in power?
We can easily claim that we tried to arrest the problem of unemployment
in the country and that the open door policy for the public to reach
their government was a trend set by the PPP and Mohtarma Benazir
Bhutto.
Q: What problems is your party confronting in its
election campaign?
A: We are facing some problems with the graduation clause
which has created a class distinction. Now only two per cent of
the people are allowed to rule this country because only two per
cent of the people are graduates. This is not practiced in any part
of the world and these are the sort of trends this government has
tried to implement.
Another major problem is the partisan posture of the Election Commission.
The attitude of the judiciary, the administration and the Election
Commission are monitored by those agencies who said, they created
the IJI in 1990 and gave in writing to the Supreme Court that they
had distributed 140 million rupees to manipulate the 1997 elections.
The same people who were supposed to supervise fair and free elections
are now interfering in the election process.
The truth will eventually come out, but these acts by the establishment
have marred the excitement of fair elections. An atmosphere of depression
is visible to the extent that even international monitors are saying
that the people are no longer interested in politics.
The government's priority should have been to value the vote in
letter and spirit, but once again the people are being denied. There
is blatant manipulation of votes. Why is the General interested
in one party and opposing the other? Why he is forecasting election
results by saying that he doesn't want certain people to come into
the assemblies?
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