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Q: How do you view the military's relationship with the
state and society in Pakistan?
A: Pakistan is not the first country to have an army.
Over the centuries, the civilised world has come to define the military's
relationship with the state and the society. There is now an internationally
accepted norm of the nature of the relationship of any country's
military with its society and state. We see this relationship [existing]
in all civilised societies, and I see no reason why Pakistan has
to reinvent the wheel and define a different and unique relationship
between its military and its society. Pakistan, in its constitution,
has detailed the functions of the armed forces (Article 245), and
there is no reason why, as a civilised society, the aspirations
of the people of Pakistan, as enshrined in the constitution, cannot
be met.
Q: Given the current geo-strategic situation in the country,
a possibility exists of a combined military-civilian rule. How will
political parties strengthen themselves in such a system?
A: There is nothing like a combined military-civilian
rule. It is a myth which is propagated by military dictators to
perpetuate their rule and [for the purposes of] exploitation. This
combination can never work because they are contradictions in terms
and outlooks. There was an experimental rule of this combination
in an Islamic country, but it failed, and the country had to go
for pure democratic and civilian rule. Civilian rule is for the
good of the country and reflects the collective genius of the society,
while military dictatorship is only for selfish motives and is geared
to satisfy the needs of one man. The needs of society and those
of one man trying to rule are not the same and this contradiction
is disastrous for the country. We have seen a similar combination
in Pakistan for the last eight years and the results are in front
of everybody.
Q:
Where have political parties faltered in strengthening themselves
vis-à-vis a political army?
A:
The political army, in our context, is a huge machine with
enormous resources of all kinds. It is not easy for political parties,
which have different political agendas and outlooks, to take on
this huge machine. It is also not the intention to fight the army
as a group. A few generals with very strong vested interests, by
violating the basic oath of office that they have taken before the
nation, are exploiting the resources of the army. Political parties
do not consider the entire army as their adversary, but it is the
corrupt generals who have created a gulf between these two important
components of the state.
Q:
What kind of a role do you want the military to have?
A:
I am nobody to decide the role of military in the country. The role
of the military in Pakistan has already been defined in the constitution
of Pakistan, and any effort to rewrite it will be counter-productive
and will damage the fabric of society.
Q:How can political
parties and the civil society negotiate with the military and reduce
the military's expanded role in the state and society?
A:
Pakistan's military is an integral part of Pakistan: it is paid
out of the tax-payer's money and the common man has made enormous
sacrifices to support this military. The military is an important
component of Pakistan and has to play its role within the limitations
of the rules of the land. Fortunately, it is not a foreign occupying
army that Pakistan has to negotiate with. Pakistan is also lucky
that most of the personnel of the Pakistan Army are law-abiding.
There cannot be any negotiations on something which is [already]
agreed [upon].
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